About the hosts

Eric and John met working on a data project. Eric had just sold a company and John was leading an eCommerce turnaround as CTO and head of marketing.

Over the next decade, their professional relationship grew into a friendship built on shared beliefs and pursuit of craftsmanship in their work.

After hosting a successful, data-focused podcast for several years, they decided to start their own show.

See hosts full bios on the show website.